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Hello everybody,
I have a question that is rehabilitation related. Why isn’t
the ACB affiliated with any private residential adjustment to blindness centers like
the NFB? Or why don’t they start their own centers?
Best
Aaron Espinoza
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The NFB centers pay NFB a fee when I last looked about 10 years ago it was $5000 to be an NFB center. ACB is a consumer advocacy organization not a service p[provider. Lori
From: Rehab-Stakeholders@... <Rehab-Stakeholders@...> On Behalf Of Aaron Espinoza Sent: Monday, December 19, 2022 9:26 AM To: Rehab-Stakeholders@... Subject: [Rehab-Stakeholders] ACB Adjustment To Blindness Center Question Hello everybody, I have a question that is rehabilitation related. Why isn’t the ACB affiliated with any private residential adjustment to blindness centers like the NFB? Or why don’t they start their own centers? Best Aaron Espinoza
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I don’t think there’s anything wrong with paying a fee to be
affiliated with the NFB.
I have heard the argument about the ACB solely being a consumer organization and I understand
that there’s a conflict of interest but there’s always an exception to the rule
especially if everyone else isn’t providing inadequate services to your community.
What benefits has the ACB gained from staying out of not providing services?
The NFB centers pay NFB a fee when I last looked about 10 years ago it was $5000 to be an NFB center. ACB is a consumer advocacy organization not a service p[provider. Lori Hello everybody, I have a question that is rehabilitation related. Why isn’t the ACB affiliated with any private residential adjustment to blindness centers like the NFB? Or why don’t they start their own centers? Best Aaron Espinoza
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Well, I guess that another question to be asked is what advantage has been gained by these centers being affiliated with NFB, other than NFB having more money in their bank account. The centers would probably be required to embrace the NFB philosophy as well.
From: Rehab-Stakeholders@... <Rehab-Stakeholders@...> On Behalf Of Aaron Espinoza Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2022 12:44 PM To: Rehab-Stakeholders@... Subject: Re: [Rehab-Stakeholders] ACB Adjustment To Blindness Center Question I don’t think there’s anything wrong with paying a fee to be affiliated with the NFB. I have heard the argument about the ACB solely being a consumer organization and I understand that there’s a conflict of interest but there’s always an exception to the rule especially if everyone else isn’t providing inadequate services to your community. What benefits has the ACB gained from staying out of not providing services? The NFB centers pay NFB a fee when I last looked about 10 years ago it was $5000 to be an NFB center. ACB is a consumer advocacy organization not a service p[provider. Lori Hello everybody, I have a question that is rehabilitation related. Why isn’t the ACB affiliated with any private residential adjustment to blindness centers like the NFB? Or why don’t they start their own centers? Best Aaron Espinoza
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The NFB doesn’t get money from the centers, the centers keep
the money they receive from state VR’s when they send their clients there. although in 2019 at the NFB National Convention the Colorado Center for the Blind (CCB) donated
$1,000,000 to the NFB. The thing the NFB does gain from having centers affiliated
with them is a steady stream of dedicated members that are happy to give back
to the organization that gave them their independence back. It is like a membership farm.
You are correct about the centers having to embrace the NFB philosophy
which I don’t have a problem with since they know what they are signing up for. Some People specifically
go to NFB centers because of their philosophy,
name recognition, and teaching method. All three centers affiliated with the
NFB have a class where they talk about different subjects and it’s pretty easy
to see that they are pushing what the NFB believes on that subject. All three centers also sent their
clients to the NFB National Convention. Although to be fair at least to the CCB
their clients attend both consumer organization state conventions. If NFB
centers don’t want to be open minded then that’s on them and the NFB. This
takes me back to my point of why doesn’t the ACB have their own affiliated
centers? There’s things that NFB centers don’t do right and you could fix them
by having your own centers. You would be able to provide people with a better service
than them because I don’t care if you hate or dislike the NFB, they are currently
the gold standard when it comes to adjustment to blindness centers. If you don’t
believe me the NFB started provided California and they are working in every
other state because of resolution 2019-04 which I have provided a link to at
the end of my message. The resolution says that counselors must provide clients
with the success of graduates of all in state and out of state adjustment to
blindness centers and the NFB is on top. Second place are probably state run
centers that are structured discovery certified which are nearly all made up of
NFB members. The only reason the state centers can’t be affiliated with the NFB
is because they are state run or else they would be.
https://nfb.org/resources/speeches-and-reports/resolutions/2019-resolutions
Well, I guess that another question to be asked is what advantage has been gained by these centers being affiliated with NFB, other than NFB having more money in their bank account. The centers would probably be required to embrace the NFB philosophy as well. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with paying a fee to be affiliated with the NFB. I have heard the argument about the ACB solely being a consumer organization and I understand that there’s a conflict of interest but there’s always an exception to the rule especially if everyone else isn’t providing inadequate services to your community. What benefits has the ACB gained from staying out of not providing services? The NFB centers pay NFB a fee when I last looked about 10 years ago it was $5000 to be an NFB center. ACB is a consumer advocacy organization not a service p[provider. Lori Hello everybody, I have a question that is rehabilitation related. Why isn’t the ACB affiliated with any private residential adjustment to blindness centers like the NFB? Or why don’t they start their own centers? Best Aaron Espinoza
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I forgot to include besides the NFB gaming members the NFB also
gains a good reputation, satisfied consumers, satisfied counselors, and being the organization that people turn to
when it comes to adjustment to blindness centers.
The NFB doesn’t get money from the centers, the centers keep
the money they receive from state VR’s when they send their clients there. although in 2019 at the NFB National Convention the Colorado Center for the Blind (CCB) donated
$1,000,000 to the NFB. The thing the NFB does gain from having centers affiliated
with them is a steady stream of dedicated members that are happy to give back
to the organization that gave them their independence back. It is like a membership farm.
You are correct about the centers having to embrace the NFB philosophy
which I don’t have a problem with since they know what they are signing up for. Some People specifically
go to NFB centers because of their philosophy,
name recognition, and teaching method. All three centers affiliated with the
NFB have a class where they talk about different subjects and it’s pretty easy
to see that they are pushing what the NFB believes on that subject. All three centers also sent their
clients to the NFB National Convention. Although to be fair at least to the CCB
their clients attend both consumer organization state conventions. If NFB
centers don’t want to be open minded then that’s on them and the NFB. This
takes me back to my point of why doesn’t the ACB have their own affiliated
centers? There’s things that NFB centers don’t do right and you could fix them
by having your own centers. You would be able to provide people with a better service
than them because I don’t care if you hate or dislike the NFB, they are currently
the gold standard when it comes to adjustment to blindness centers. If you don’t
believe me the NFB started provided California and they are working in every
other state because of resolution 2019-04 which I have provided a link to at
the end of my message. The resolution says that counselors must provide clients
with the success of graduates of all in state and out of state adjustment to
blindness centers and the NFB is on top. Second place are probably state run
centers that are structured discovery certified which are nearly all made up of
NFB members. The only reason the state centers can’t be affiliated with the NFB
is because they are state run or else they would be.
https://nfb.org/resources/speeches-and-reports/resolutions/2019-resolutions
Well, I guess that another question to be asked is what advantage has been gained by these centers being affiliated with NFB, other than NFB having more money in their bank account. The centers would probably be required to embrace the NFB philosophy as well. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with paying a fee to be affiliated with the NFB. I have heard the argument about the ACB solely being a consumer organization and I understand that there’s a conflict of interest but there’s always an exception to the rule especially if everyone else isn’t providing inadequate services to your community. What benefits has the ACB gained from staying out of not providing services? The NFB centers pay NFB a fee when I last looked about 10 years ago it was $5000 to be an NFB center. ACB is a consumer advocacy organization not a service p[provider. Lori Hello everybody, I have a question that is rehabilitation related. Why isn’t the ACB affiliated with any private residential adjustment to blindness centers like the NFB? Or why don’t they start their own centers? Best Aaron Espinoza
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It’s just my opinion, but it seems like ACB‘s efforts through the AAVL to increase funding to the older blind program and increase opportunities for older people who are losing vision later in life to take it vantage of the services that exists is a stronger position then a do it yourself rehabilitation center. Having worked in vision rehabilitation for 30 years, open Opening and running is center is a huge challenge financially and ethically. Finding qualified staff is a challenge for the federal and state programs, let alone a grassroots membership organization run program. NFB has created their own training and certification program to staff their centers and the results of that training and certification are mixed especially when you compare those providing the training to individuals who have been trained at the masters degree level through universities across the nation. Peer support groups are one thing but formal training in a residential setting is a whole different thing. I would like to see ACB chapters across the nation organize and create relationships with the local senior providers like senior centers, congregant meal centers, residential living for older people centers, etc., etc., etc. to present to those groups informal presentations that outlined how people who are blind live with vision loss successfully every day. This would take away some of the fear they are experiencing, connecting with resources, and become an avenue for people to join local chapters and get connected with other people who are blind or have low vision and doing things that they want and need to do every day. then it becomes friends helping friends and guiding them down the path we have already traveled ahead of them so that they can become as independent as they possibly can be. Again, this is my personal opinion, not the position of American Foundation for the Blind or the American Council Of The Blind Of Texas. Neva Fairchild
National Aging & Vision Loss Specialist
214-438-5316 nfairchild@... www.afb.org #nolimits
On Dec 20, 2022, at 2:14 PM, Aaron Espinoza <blind247365@...> wrote:
The NFB doesn’t get money from the centers, the centers keep
the money they receive from state VR’s when they send their clients there. although in 2019 at the NFB National Convention the Colorado Center for the Blind (CCB) donated
$1,000,000 to the NFB. The thing the NFB does gain from having centers affiliated
with them is a steady stream of dedicated members that are happy to give back
to the organization that gave them their independence back. It is like a membership farm.
You are correct about the centers having to embrace the NFB philosophy
which I don’t have a problem with since they know what they are signing up for. Some People specifically
go to NFB centers because of their philosophy,
name recognition, and teaching method. All three centers affiliated with the
NFB have a class where they talk about different subjects and it’s pretty easy
to see that they are pushing what the NFB believes on that subject. All three centers also sent their
clients to the NFB National Convention. Although to be fair at least to the CCB
their clients attend both consumer organization state conventions. If NFB
centers don’t want to be open minded then that’s on them and the NFB. This
takes me back to my point of why doesn’t the ACB have their own affiliated
centers? There’s things that NFB centers don’t do right and you could fix them
by having your own centers. You would be able to provide people with a better service
than them because I don’t care if you hate or dislike the NFB, they are currently
the gold standard when it comes to adjustment to blindness centers. If you don’t
believe me the NFB started provided California and they are working in every
other state because of resolution 2019-04 which I have provided a link to at
the end of my message. The resolution says that counselors must provide clients
with the success of graduates of all in state and out of state adjustment to
blindness centers and the NFB is on top. Second place are probably state run
centers that are structured discovery certified which are nearly all made up of
NFB members. The only reason the state centers can’t be affiliated with the NFB
is because they are state run or else they would be.
https://nfb.org/resources/speeches-and-reports/resolutions/2019-resolutions Well, I guess that another question to be asked is what advantage has been gained by these centers being affiliated with NFB, other than NFB having more money in their bank account. The centers would probably be required to embrace the NFB philosophy as well. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with paying a fee to be affiliated with the NFB. I have heard the argument about the ACB solely being a consumer organization and I understand that there’s a conflict of interest but there’s always an exception to the rule especially if everyone else isn’t providing inadequate services to your community. What benefits has the ACB gained from staying out of not providing services? The NFB centers pay NFB a fee when I last looked about 10 years ago it was $5000 to be an NFB center. ACB is a consumer advocacy organization not a service p[provider. Lori Hello everybody, I have a question that is rehabilitation related. Why isn’t the ACB affiliated with any private residential adjustment to blindness centers like the NFB? Or why don’t they start their own centers? Best Aaron Espinoza
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Well I have met several people who were not pleased with their NFB center training so I don’t know that your statement is accurate Alice Ritchhart Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 20, 2022, at 3:33 PM, Aaron Espinoza <blind247365@...> wrote:
I forgot to include besides the NFB gaming members the NFB also
gains a good reputation, satisfied consumers, satisfied counselors, and being the organization that people turn to
when it comes to adjustment to blindness centers. The NFB doesn’t get money from the centers, the centers keep
the money they receive from state VR’s when they send their clients there. although in 2019 at the NFB National Convention the Colorado Center for the Blind (CCB) donated
$1,000,000 to the NFB. The thing the NFB does gain from having centers affiliated
with them is a steady stream of dedicated members that are happy to give back
to the organization that gave them their independence back. It is like a membership farm.
You are correct about the centers having to embrace the NFB philosophy
which I don’t have a problem with since they know what they are signing up for. Some People specifically
go to NFB centers because of their philosophy,
name recognition, and teaching method. All three centers affiliated with the
NFB have a class where they talk about different subjects and it’s pretty easy
to see that they are pushing what the NFB believes on that subject. All three centers also sent their
clients to the NFB National Convention. Although to be fair at least to the CCB
their clients attend both consumer organization state conventions. If NFB
centers don’t want to be open minded then that’s on them and the NFB. This
takes me back to my point of why doesn’t the ACB have their own affiliated
centers? There’s things that NFB centers don’t do right and you could fix them
by having your own centers. You would be able to provide people with a better service
than them because I don’t care if you hate or dislike the NFB, they are currently
the gold standard when it comes to adjustment to blindness centers. If you don’t
believe me the NFB started provided California and they are working in every
other state because of resolution 2019-04 which I have provided a link to at
the end of my message. The resolution says that counselors must provide clients
with the success of graduates of all in state and out of state adjustment to
blindness centers and the NFB is on top. Second place are probably state run
centers that are structured discovery certified which are nearly all made up of
NFB members. The only reason the state centers can’t be affiliated with the NFB
is because they are state run or else they would be.
https://nfb.org/resources/speeches-and-reports/resolutions/2019-resolutions
Well, I guess that another question to be asked is what advantage has been gained by these centers being affiliated with NFB, other than NFB having more money in their bank account. The centers would probably be required to embrace the NFB philosophy as well. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with paying a fee to be affiliated with the NFB. I have heard the argument about the ACB solely being a consumer organization and I understand that there’s a conflict of interest but there’s always an exception to the rule especially if everyone else isn’t providing inadequate services to your community. What benefits has the ACB gained from staying out of not providing services? The NFB centers pay NFB a fee when I last looked about 10 years ago it was $5000 to be an NFB center. ACB is a consumer advocacy organization not a service p[provider. Lori Hello everybody, I have a question that is rehabilitation related. Why isn’t the ACB affiliated with any private residential adjustment to blindness centers like the NFB? Or why don’t they start their own centers? Best Aaron Espinoza
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Hello Neva and Alice,
Neva you are talking about two different programs one is specifically
for older people losing their sight and the other one is for everybody. I agree
with you on everything else you said.
Alice tar my statement
is accurate
just like any service there’s going to be some people that are not satisfied
but the majority are. I am pretty sure the NFB would gladly put up their own
money for the RSA and or the AFB to conduct a study about the satisfaction of
their graduates. Even if you include the people that didn’t graduate from the
program the number of satisfied consumers would be very high.
Well I have met several people who were not pleased with their NFB center training so I don’t know that your statement is accurate Alice Ritchhart Sent from my iPhone I forgot to include besides the NFB gaming members the NFB also
gains a good reputation, satisfied consumers, satisfied counselors, and being the organization that people turn to
when it comes to adjustment to blindness centers. The NFB doesn’t get money from the centers, the centers keep
the money they receive from state VR’s when they send their clients there. although in 2019 at the NFB National Convention the Colorado Center for the Blind (CCB) donated
$1,000,000 to the NFB. The thing the NFB does gain from having centers affiliated
with them is a steady stream of dedicated members that are happy to give back
to the organization that gave them their independence back. It is like a membership farm.
You are correct about the centers having to embrace the NFB philosophy
which I don’t have a problem with since they know what they are signing up for. Some People specifically
go to NFB centers because of their philosophy,
name recognition, and teaching method. All three centers affiliated with the
NFB have a class where they talk about different subjects and it’s pretty easy
to see that they are pushing what the NFB believes on that subject. All three centers also sent their
clients to the NFB National Convention. Although to be fair at least to the CCB
their clients attend both consumer organization state conventions. If NFB
centers don’t want to be open minded then that’s on them and the NFB. This
takes me back to my point of why doesn’t the ACB have their own affiliated
centers? There’s things that NFB centers don’t do right and you could fix them
by having your own centers. You would be able to provide people with a better service
than them because I don’t care if you hate or dislike the NFB, they are currently
the gold standard when it comes to adjustment to blindness centers. If you don’t
believe me the NFB started provided California and they are working in every
other state because of resolution 2019-04 which I have provided a link to at
the end of my message. The resolution says that counselors must provide clients
with the success of graduates of all in state and out of state adjustment to
blindness centers and the NFB is on top. Second place are probably state run
centers that are structured discovery certified which are nearly all made up of
NFB members. The only reason the state centers can’t be affiliated with the NFB
is because they are state run or else they would be.
https://nfb.org/resources/speeches-and-reports/resolutions/2019-resolutions
Well, I guess that another question to be asked is what advantage has been gained by these centers being affiliated with NFB, other than NFB having more money in their bank account. The centers would probably be required to embrace the NFB philosophy as well. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with paying a fee to be affiliated with the NFB. I have heard the argument about the ACB solely being a consumer organization and I understand that there’s a conflict of interest but there’s always an exception to the rule especially if everyone else isn’t providing inadequate services to your community. What benefits has the ACB gained from staying out of not providing services? The NFB centers pay NFB a fee when I last looked about 10 years ago it was $5000 to be an NFB center. ACB is a consumer advocacy organization not a service p[provider. Lori Hello everybody, I have a question that is rehabilitation related. Why isn’t the ACB affiliated with any private residential adjustment to blindness centers like the NFB? Or why don’t they start their own centers? Best Aaron Espinoza
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I know they have both their older blind and the working program I’m talking about the working program I have had several clients who went through it and we’re not happy with the services Alice Ritchhart Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 21, 2022, at 11:01 AM, Aaron Espinoza <blind247365@...> wrote:
Hello Neva and Alice,
Neva you are talking about two different programs one is specifically
for older people losing their sight and the other one is for everybody. I agree
with you on everything else you said.
Alice tar my statement
is accurate
just like any service there’s going to be some people that are not satisfied
but the majority are. I am pretty sure the NFB would gladly put up their own
money for the RSA and or the AFB to conduct a study about the satisfaction of
their graduates. Even if you include the people that didn’t graduate from the
program the number of satisfied consumers would be very high. Well I have met several people who were not pleased with their NFB center training so I don’t know that your statement is accurate Alice Ritchhart Sent from my iPhone I forgot to include besides the NFB gaming members the NFB also
gains a good reputation, satisfied consumers, satisfied counselors, and being the organization that people turn to
when it comes to adjustment to blindness centers. The NFB doesn’t get money from the centers, the centers keep
the money they receive from state VR’s when they send their clients there. although in 2019 at the NFB National Convention the Colorado Center for the Blind (CCB) donated
$1,000,000 to the NFB. The thing the NFB does gain from having centers affiliated
with them is a steady stream of dedicated members that are happy to give back
to the organization that gave them their independence back. It is like a membership farm.
You are correct about the centers having to embrace the NFB philosophy
which I don’t have a problem with since they know what they are signing up for. Some People specifically
go to NFB centers because of their philosophy,
name recognition, and teaching method. All three centers affiliated with the
NFB have a class where they talk about different subjects and it’s pretty easy
to see that they are pushing what the NFB believes on that subject. All three centers also sent their
clients to the NFB National Convention. Although to be fair at least to the CCB
their clients attend both consumer organization state conventions. If NFB
centers don’t want to be open minded then that’s on them and the NFB. This
takes me back to my point of why doesn’t the ACB have their own affiliated
centers? There’s things that NFB centers don’t do right and you could fix them
by having your own centers. You would be able to provide people with a better service
than them because I don’t care if you hate or dislike the NFB, they are currently
the gold standard when it comes to adjustment to blindness centers. If you don’t
believe me the NFB started provided California and they are working in every
other state because of resolution 2019-04 which I have provided a link to at
the end of my message. The resolution says that counselors must provide clients
with the success of graduates of all in state and out of state adjustment to
blindness centers and the NFB is on top. Second place are probably state run
centers that are structured discovery certified which are nearly all made up of
NFB members. The only reason the state centers can’t be affiliated with the NFB
is because they are state run or else they would be.
https://nfb.org/resources/speeches-and-reports/resolutions/2019-resolutions
Well, I guess that another question to be asked is what advantage has been gained by these centers being affiliated with NFB, other than NFB having more money in their bank account. The centers would probably be required to embrace the NFB philosophy as well. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with paying a fee to be affiliated with the NFB. I have heard the argument about the ACB solely being a consumer organization and I understand that there’s a conflict of interest but there’s always an exception to the rule especially if everyone else isn’t providing inadequate services to your community. What benefits has the ACB gained from staying out of not providing services? The NFB centers pay NFB a fee when I last looked about 10 years ago it was $5000 to be an NFB center. ACB is a consumer advocacy organization not a service p[provider. Lori Hello everybody, I have a question that is rehabilitation related. Why isn’t the ACB affiliated with any private residential adjustment to blindness centers like the NFB? Or why don’t they start their own centers? Best Aaron Espinoza
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