On Oct 24, 2021, at 2:38 PM, Donna Pomerantz <dmpomerantz@...> wrote:

Good Sunday Ray:

Yes, several ACB Women Committee members have concern about this policy but
the group decided to continue putting our calls on the Community Call List.

I would like to know, as you are on the ACB Board as an Officer of ACB to
represent us, the membership, so because I did not listen to that call I'd
like to know how you voted and what your thought process is as to why you
voted as you did. This will help me come to an understanding as to your
thought process as I do not walk in your shoes.

Many thanks in advance for your response to this.

Lion President Donna
Pasadena Host Lions Club

-----Original Message-----
From: ACBL-Board@... <ACBL-Board@...> On Behalf Of Ray
Campbell
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2021 11:12 AM
To: ACBL-Board@...; ACB-Lions@...
Subject: [ACBL-Board] I Need Your Input

Hello Lions:

I hope you're all having a great Sunday. I need your input on something.
The ACB Community Calls have a new rule, that every call has to be recorded
to the cloud, that the recording has to be retained for two weeks and a link
to the recording has to be sent to community@... within 24 hours of each
call. The ACB board approved this policy change at our meeting on October
9. Cindy Hollis indicated this is being done to protect participants on
calls and to investigate any complaints about a particular call where it's
believed that inappropriate things were said.

I need an answer by Wednesday to this question. Because of this change, do
we still want to keep the monthly "Come Roar with ACB Lions" conference call
on the ACB Community List? I can tell you that BITS has taken their BITS
chats off the community list because of this change. I've also talked with
someone on the ACB Women committee who has expressed some concerns about
this. During the board discussion, concerns were expressed about recording
certain types of calls where topics of a sensitive nature are discussed, but
the board approved the policy anyway.

I need to put our November 4 call in for the community list by this
Wednesday, so please let me know by then if you want to keep our calls on
the community list and I'll do what the majority of those responding want to
do. You can call or email me.

Thanks very much,



Lion Ray Campbell, Immediate Past President, Glen Ellyn Lions Club and
President, American Council of Blind Lions
630-258-0516
Ray153056@...

On Oct 24, 2021, at 2:38 PM, Donna Pomerantz <dmpomerantz@...> wrote:

Good Sunday Ray:

Yes, several ACB Women Committee members have concern about this
policy but the group decided to continue putting our calls on the Community Call List.

I would like to know, as you are on the ACB Board as an Officer of ACB
to represent us, the membership, so because I did not listen to that
call I'd like to know how you voted and what your thought process is
as to why you voted as you did. This will help me come to an
understanding as to your thought process as I do not walk in your shoes.

Many thanks in advance for your response to this.

Lion President Donna
Pasadena Host Lions Club

-----Original Message-----
From: ACBL-Board@... <ACBL-Board@...> On Behalf Of
Ray Campbell
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2021 11:12 AM
To: ACBL-Board@...; ACB-Lions@...
Subject: [ACBL-Board] I Need Your Input

Hello Lions:

I hope you're all having a great Sunday. I need your input on something.
The ACB Community Calls have a new rule, that every call has to be
recorded to the cloud, that the recording has to be retained for two
weeks and a link to the recording has to be sent to community@...
within 24 hours of each call. The ACB board approved this policy
change at our meeting on October 9. Cindy Hollis indicated this is
being done to protect participants on calls and to investigate any
complaints about a particular call where it's believed that inappropriate things were said.

I need an answer by Wednesday to this question. Because of this
change, do we still want to keep the monthly "Come Roar with ACB
Lions" conference call on the ACB Community List? I can tell you that
BITS has taken their BITS chats off the community list because of this
change. I've also talked with someone on the ACB Women committee who
has expressed some concerns about this. During the board discussion,
concerns were expressed about recording certain types of calls where
topics of a sensitive nature are discussed, but the board approved the policy anyway.

I need to put our November 4 call in for the community list by this
Wednesday, so please let me know by then if you want to keep our calls
on the community list and I'll do what the majority of those
responding want to do. You can call or email me.

Thanks very much,



Lion Ray Campbell, Immediate Past President, Glen Ellyn Lions Club and
President, American Council of Blind Lions
630-258-0516
Ray153056@...

On Oct 24, 2021, at 2:38 PM, Donna Pomerantz <dmpomerantz@...> wrote:

Good Sunday Ray:

Yes, several ACB Women Committee members have concern about this
policy but the group decided to continue putting our calls on the Community Call List.

I would like to know, as you are on the ACB Board as an Officer of ACB
to represent us, the membership, so because I did not listen to that
call I'd like to know how you voted and what your thought process is
as to why you voted as you did. This will help me come to an
understanding as to your thought process as I do not walk in your shoes.

Many thanks in advance for your response to this.

Lion President Donna
Pasadena Host Lions Club

-----Original Message-----
From: ACBL-Board@... <ACBL-Board@...> On Behalf Of
Ray Campbell
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2021 11:12 AM
To: ACBL-Board@...; ACB-Lions@...
Subject: [ACBL-Board] I Need Your Input

Hello Lions:

I hope you're all having a great Sunday. I need your input on something.
The ACB Community Calls have a new rule, that every call has to be
recorded to the cloud, that the recording has to be retained for two
weeks and a link to the recording has to be sent to community@...
within 24 hours of each call. The ACB board approved this policy
change at our meeting on October 9. Cindy Hollis indicated this is
being done to protect participants on calls and to investigate any
complaints about a particular call where it's believed that inappropriate things were said.

I need an answer by Wednesday to this question. Because of this
change, do we still want to keep the monthly "Come Roar with ACB
Lions" conference call on the ACB Community List? I can tell you that
BITS has taken their BITS chats off the community list because of this
change. I've also talked with someone on the ACB Women committee who
has expressed some concerns about this. During the board discussion,
concerns were expressed about recording certain types of calls where
topics of a sensitive nature are discussed, but the board approved the policy anyway.

I need to put our November 4 call in for the community list by this
Wednesday, so please let me know by then if you want to keep our calls
on the community list and I'll do what the majority of those
responding want to do. You can call or email me.

Thanks very much,



Lion Ray Campbell, Immediate Past President, Glen Ellyn Lions Club and
President, American Council of Blind Lions
630-258-0516
Ray153056@...

On Oct 24, 2021, at 10:54 PM, Barbara Lombardi <k1eir@...> wrote:

Yes lol.

-----Original Message-----
From: ACB-Lions@... <ACB-Lions@...> On Behalf Of Carla Ruschival
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2021 5:08 PM
To: ACBL-Board@...
Cc: acb-lions@...
Subject: Re: [ACB-Lions] [ACBL-Board] I Need Your Input

Ray, I suggest we post as usual for this upcoming call and discuss the issue there. In that way we can make the decision as a group and have the opportunity to discuss the benefits and problems of participating in the community. I suggest you include that agenda item in the meeting announcement so as to inform the membership. It will be interesting to see if that item gets deleted from the meeting announcement by those who compile the descriptions of the calls.

Carla

On Oct 24, 2021, at 2:38 PM, Donna Pomerantz <dmpomerantz@...> wrote:

Good Sunday Ray:

Yes, several ACB Women Committee members have concern about this
policy but the group decided to continue putting our calls on the Community Call List.

I would like to know, as you are on the ACB Board as an Officer of ACB
to represent us, the membership, so because I did not listen to that
call I'd like to know how you voted and what your thought process is
as to why you voted as you did. This will help me come to an
understanding as to your thought process as I do not walk in your shoes.

Many thanks in advance for your response to this.

Lion President Donna
Pasadena Host Lions Club

-----Original Message-----
From: ACBL-Board@... <ACBL-Board@...> On Behalf Of
Ray Campbell
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2021 11:12 AM
To: ACBL-Board@...; ACB-Lions@...
Subject: [ACBL-Board] I Need Your Input

Hello Lions:

I hope you're all having a great Sunday. I need your input on something.
The ACB Community Calls have a new rule, that every call has to be
recorded to the cloud, that the recording has to be retained for two
weeks and a link to the recording has to be sent to community@...
within 24 hours of each call. The ACB board approved this policy
change at our meeting on October 9. Cindy Hollis indicated this is
being done to protect participants on calls and to investigate any
complaints about a particular call where it's believed that inappropriate things were said.

I need an answer by Wednesday to this question. Because of this
change, do we still want to keep the monthly "Come Roar with ACB
Lions" conference call on the ACB Community List? I can tell you that
BITS has taken their BITS chats off the community list because of this
change. I've also talked with someone on the ACB Women committee who
has expressed some concerns about this. During the board discussion,
concerns were expressed about recording certain types of calls where
topics of a sensitive nature are discussed, but the board approved the policy anyway.

I need to put our November 4 call in for the community list by this
Wednesday, so please let me know by then if you want to keep our calls
on the community list and I'll do what the majority of those
responding want to do. You can call or email me.

Thanks very much,



Lion Ray Campbell, Immediate Past President, Glen Ellyn Lions Club and
President, American Council of Blind Lions
630-258-0516
Ray153056@...

Hi Lion Donna and all:

I did vote for the whole package of community policy changes that was
presented to us, including the recording. One other member of the board and
I expressed concerns about calls that address topics of a sensitive or
deeply personal nature being recorded, and I tried to get those exempted
from having to be recorded. The response we got was that since the
recordings will only be accessed if there is a complaint, that it wouldn't
be an issue. I felt like as an ACB officer, I need to do whatever I can to
protect those who participate in our community and keep our calls safe,
respectful and welcoming. I understand the issue Cindy and Colby are
having, trying to figure out how to best manage the community, even if I
don't agree with everything they're doing.

I thank everyone who has, so far, provided their input. Several of you have
suggested we put this on our November 4 meeting agenda. So what I'll do is
put the November 4 call on the community list and we'll discuss this issue
during our call and those in attendance can decide what we do going forward.
Keep in mind this means the November 4 call will be recorded, and I'll work
with John Ross, our Zoom host to get the link sent to the ACB Community
email address.

Thanks,



Lion Ray Campbell, Immediate Past President, Glen Ellyn Lions Club and
President, American Council of Blind Lions
630-258-0516
Ray153056@...

-----Original Message-----
From: ACBL-Board@... <ACBL-Board@...> On Behalf Of Donna
Pomerantz
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2021 1:39 PM
To: ACBL-Board@...; ACB-Lions@...
Subject: Re: [ACBL-Board] I Need Your Input

Good Sunday Ray:

Yes, several ACB Women Committee members have concern about this policy but
the group decided to continue putting our calls on the Community Call List.

I would like to know, as you are on the ACB Board as an Officer of ACB to
represent us, the membership, so because I did not listen to that call I'd
like to know how you voted and what your thought process is as to why you
voted as you did. This will help me come to an understanding as to your
thought process as I do not walk in your shoes.

Many thanks in advance for your response to this.

Lion President Donna
Pasadena Host Lions Club

-----Original Message-----
From: ACBL-Board@... <ACBL-Board@...> On Behalf Of Ray
Campbell
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2021 11:12 AM
To: ACBL-Board@...; ACB-Lions@...
Subject: [ACBL-Board] I Need Your Input

Hello Lions:

I hope you're all having a great Sunday. I need your input on something.
The ACB Community Calls have a new rule, that every call has to be recorded
to the cloud, that the recording has to be retained for two weeks and a link
to the recording has to be sent to community@... within 24 hours of each
call. The ACB board approved this policy change at our meeting on October
9. Cindy Hollis indicated this is being done to protect participants on
calls and to investigate any complaints about a particular call where it's
believed that inappropriate things were said.

I need an answer by Wednesday to this question. Because of this change, do
we still want to keep the monthly "Come Roar with ACB Lions" conference call
on the ACB Community List? I can tell you that BITS has taken their BITS
chats off the community list because of this change. I've also talked with
someone on the ACB Women committee who has expressed some concerns about
this. During the board discussion, concerns were expressed about recording
certain types of calls where topics of a sensitive nature are discussed, but
the board approved the policy anyway.

I need to put our November 4 call in for the community list by this
Wednesday, so please let me know by then if you want to keep our calls on
the community list and I'll do what the majority of those responding want to
do. You can call or email me.

Thanks very much,



Lion Ray Campbell, Immediate Past President, Glen Ellyn Lions Club and
President, American Council of Blind Lions
630-258-0516
Ray153056@...